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Behind the Scenes: Hybels/Welch Interview
We’re honored and flattered that so many people are curious about our production methods and creative decisions. So here’s the behind-the-scenes look at what went into filming the Bill Hybels/Jack Welch interview that’ll air at Willow Creek’s Global Leadership Summit in August.
Jack Welch wasn’t available to be at the Leadership Summit in person, so the interview had to be filmed in advance. The planning team agreed early on that a one-on-one interview just wouldn’t have the same dynamics as an audience. So that provided a little bit of a conundrum—the pre-taped interview needed to be “exclusive content” for the Leadership Summit, but it had to be done with a live studio audience.
We believed that with lighting and a shallow field, we could create an intimate event that would still feel exclusive when it was played back later in the summer at the Leadership Summit. But there were all kinds of considerations. For example, shooting with traditional 2/3” videocameras would necessitate 15 or 20 feet of space between Jack and the audience, which was’t realistic at all. The audience needed to be as close as possible—and we needed to see them (or our viewing audience would be terribly disconnected) but not be distracted by them.
So the whole thing was a delicate balance of audience positioning, lighting, aperture/focus field, microphone and speaker placement where a slight change in one impacted everything else.
We also had to shoot the interview near Jack’s home, so we settled on the multi-purpose room of his church—First Presbyterian Church in North Palm Beach, Florida. The fact that it was a big, open white room with direct sunlight and no rigging points were easy challenges to solve compared to the complicated audience equation.
Cameras
Despite the audio challenges, twelve-minute file size limit, no remote monitoring, and lack of timecode and studio controls, we settled on Canon 5DmkII cameras. We knew that despite all of the challenges, the cameras would give us the right look. A wired Clear-Com helped us keep each other posted on stops & re-starts. And we spent a lot of time with stand-ins rehearsing angles & watching each other’s footage so that we could get by without someone in the traditional director’s role.
In addition to producing, I ran Jack’s camera (70-200mm), Ty covered Bill (70-200mm) and Corbyn hit a two-shot and moved in on Jack when he addressed the audience (24-105mm). Chris ran camera four—a slow-moving dolly (24-105mm), and Nick picked up wide shots of the room & creative angles with camera five. Nick had his pick of lenses, including the 300mm prime you see here:
A big thanks to Randy Coleman, our set photographer, who captured these & many more amazing shots.
Audio
Two wired Sanken COS-11s lavalier microphones would have been simple enough on their own, but the audience necessitated a small PA system, PLUS the 20-minute Q&A session after the interview. So two wireless handheld microphones and the two lavs were routed into our Yamaha DM-1000 digital console which provided a mix to the overhead PA system, as well as a matrix to the hard disc recorder. The handhelds were mixed down to one channel, plus an AKG 414 overhead ambient mic were all recorded onto four discreet channels of a Sound Devices 744T.
The omnidirectional characteristics of the COS-11s microphone make them a great choice for a studio lav, but quite a challenge when there’s a 360-degree sound field (four Meyer UPM speakers, hung from the pipe grid). But Chris balanced all of the requirements & made it sound great.
Simple XLR-to-mini plug adapters allowed us to connect reference audio to all of the cameras except for Nick’s (which is why he’s using the Rode VideoMic). And the Final Cut Pro adjunct program PluralEyes synchronized the audio perfectly.
Lighting
I knew from my initial site survey that we’d need to create a ground-supported pipe grid, and that we’d have to rely on the small handful of 20 amp circuits available to us. Even if we had more power available, I don’t know that we would have wanted to use it—the air conditioning needed to stay at it’s lowest fan speed throughout the shoot. KinoFlo 4’ fixtures with half 3200 and half 5600 lamps were used on the audience. A 1K Chimera pancake was hung between Jack and Bill, while a combination of 4’ and 2’ KinoFlo fixtures at 3200 degrees provided their 4-point studio lighting.
Prior to our arrival, the staff at First Presbyterian installed blinds in all the windows, which gave us the perfect amount of blue glow from the white walls in the background.
Most importantly, the content that we captured is amazing. Bill and Jack were both at the top of their game & it’s always a pleasure to play a role in helping over a hundred thousand church and community leaders around the world. A big part of the success was having a wonderful studio audience—they were patient for a full hour as we re-positioned them with an eye on backgrounds & angles, they kept up the energy throughout, and they asked great questions in the Q&A. (That’ll be available at the Summit as a “bonus feature” option.)
Thanks to Jimmy, Steve and Corinne at the Willow Creek Association for trusting us with such an important role in helping to produce their content. This year’s Leadership Summit is shaping up to be the best one yet. If you haven’t registered yet, here’s the link: http://www.willowcreek.com/events/leadership/2010/
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Comments
great great stuff.
Why the 32k/56k color mix on the 4’ Kino’s? Was there that much spill still after the blinds were shut? Or was it a creative choice to keep the white walls blue on camera?
By tannerherriott on Jul 11, 2010 - 12:12pm
Good question! The room was so big that the soft studio lighting didn’t reach the walls, so matching those color temperatures wasn’t a big consideration.
We wanted to create a little contrast. With the audience lit at around 4200 degrees K, they’re cooled down a little. So if Jack or Bill’s face ends up getting framed in front of an audience member for a short period, not only will the audience be out of focus, the flesh tones won’t be the same color value and Jack or Bill will still “pop” from the background.
And yes, creatively we liked the “tiered” approach of the warm 3200 degrees K on Bill and Jack, 4200 degrees K on the audience, and the blue walls created by 5600 K sunlight.
You can see on that bottom photo how Bill and Jack are a little warmer than the audience, creating contrast with color temperature even in shots with a wider field of focus.
By Dave Schwarz on Jul 11, 2010 - 2:19pm
Dave,
great pics and great color. I’m loving the new Canon DSLRs for their depth of field and color balance. Great to see you loving what you do and doing it so excellently
best wishes
Steve
By Steve Cuss on Jul 11, 2010 - 3:52pm
Another fantastic setup for a fantastic shoot! I absolutely love your simple approach to potentially complicated problems. You chose the perfect amount of gear, a very simple pipe grid, just the right amount of lighting and the UPMs for the audience are frosting on the cake. You guys are masters.
I sure wish I didn’t have to miss this shoot. My wife wouldn’t have appreciated it if I had missed our wedding
At least I can see how the shoot went via the blog. Keep ‘em coming!
By Joel Clare on Jul 12, 2010 - 10:52am
Great work guys. Can’t wait to see it!
By Blaine Hogan on Jul 13, 2010 - 8:19am
Looks really pro, did you tell the audience what to wear prior to the shoot?
By matt on Jul 17, 2010 - 9:49pm
Hey Matt,
Good question . . . we gave the audience this simple direction “Wear solids or simple patterns, avoid all white and all black. Be colorful. Be comfortable.”
That, combined with some strategic placement before the shoot & it ended up looking like they all went through wardrobe!
By Dave Schwarz on Jul 21, 2010 - 1:13pm
Thanks for taking the time to document your process Dave… I really enjoyed reading it… But even more, looking forward to seeing it.
By Joe Loveless on Jul 24, 2010 - 8:27pm
Nick - Bored out of my mind and remembered your site for some strange reason. Very cool stuff! You are doing some amazing things! However…..I can’t believe you were 15 minutes from my new home and didn’t contact me and my former pastor was in town….HMMMMM
By Mark Chandler on Jul 27, 2010 - 8:04pm
Really great stuff. Thanks for showing the setup and explaining choices.
How did you handle the 12 minute time limit problem? Did you actually stop the interview for stop/starts, or did you communicated and make sure stops weren’t overlapping.
I really love the adaptation of the traditional studio shoot. Especially the idea that a “director” isn’t really needed when everyone is involved from the beginning and owning up to their shots. Wish I could be at the Leadership Summit to see it.
By Kyle Isenhower on Jul 28, 2010 - 5:12pm
Thanks, Kyle!
With all of us on a wired clear-com system, it was pretty easy to coordinate the stop/starts. (The 60MB/s CF cards are nice, too, because they’ll cycle as fast as you can hit the button twice.)
For me (camera 1, on Jack) I just made sure I did it when Bill was asking a question. For Ty (camera 2, on Bill) it was just the opposite.
So, about every 8 to 10 minutes I announced that I’d be cycling my camera, and after I was done, that everyone else should do accordingly when they had a chance.
It’s one more thing to have to think about—and we’re experimenting with iPhone and iPad applications to remind us. But we’ve been shooting long-form content with DSLRs enough lately to have a pretty good feel for when to cycle.
By Dave Schwarz on Jul 28, 2010 - 6:08pm
Thanks for the glimpse, Dave.
Do you run into problems of the DSLRs overheating? In warmer environments I start to get the temperature warning pretty quick on my mine (not Canon). That’s one lingering concern about going to an DSLR as a primary video camera.
By brad on Jul 29, 2010 - 3:03pm
Hi Brad!
Not with the Canon 5DmkII. I know several people who had problems with the Canon 7D (and have switched to a 5D because of it).
I didn’t have any trouble shooting last summer in Honduras, either.
We rolled for nearly 110 minutes straight (with resets) for this interview with no issues.
By Dave Schwarz on Jul 29, 2010 - 3:10pm
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